Comments on: 3 Tips To Understand and Succeed with ePN Quality Click Pricing! http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm Learn How to Build and Market Niche Websites Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:32:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mark http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16995 Mark Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:53:47 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16995 @ Andrew - I have found the same thing. Sending a VERY TARGETED buyer - means fewer clicks and a high buy ratio. On one site that only sends roughly 35-40 clicks a day, but results in 15-20 sales each day, I am losing BIGTIME! Unless they come out with a 2.00 per click rate - I will never break even as compared to the old pay method.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16995','Mark'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16995','Mark','@ Andrew -\r\n\r\nI have found the same thing.\r\n\r\nSending a VERY TARGETED buyer - means fewer clicks and a high buy ratio. On one site that only sends roughly 35-40 clicks a day, but results in 15-20 sales each day, I am losing BIGTIME!\r\n\r\nUnless they come out with a 2.00 per click rate - I will never break even as compared to the old pay method.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @ Andrew -

I have found the same thing.

Sending a VERY TARGETED buyer – means fewer clicks and a high buy ratio. On one site that only sends roughly 35-40 clicks a day, but results in 15-20 sales each day, I am losing BIGTIME!

Unless they come out with a 2.00 per click rate – I will never break even as compared to the old pay method.

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]]> By: Andrew http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16994 Andrew Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:50:20 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16994 I don't think any of this holds for those of us sending high value, but low number of clicks per day. How can you make anything with 20 clicks a day paying you 14 cents a click?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16994','Andrew'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16994','Andrew','I don\'t think any of this holds for those of us sending high value, but low number of clicks per day. How can you make anything with 20 clicks a day paying you 14 cents a click?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t think any of this holds for those of us sending high value, but low number of clicks per day. How can you make anything with 20 clicks a day paying you 14 cents a click?
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]]> By: Roger http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16870 Roger Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:50:02 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16870 My problem with this, is that I have been with EPN for only 3 months now, but I have several top 10 rankings for several product related keywords so send them a ton of "quality" organic traffic. I was getting 5-9 new ACRUs a month, with half of the sales being $500 -$1,000 or more.. EPN defaulted ACRUs of only $1.00 for new publishers, and before I got a chance to prove the value of the new user sign ups, they made this change. Since I was already being screwed by underpaid ACRUS (since I'm new), my EPC was already well below what it should be. Not with this new system, it's telling me Ebay is planning on paying me a measly $.08 per click (which is less than a third of what it is now). Google Adsense pays me $.50 per click, so why in the heck would anyone waste their time with EPN now, when Adsense pays so much more for new users.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16870','Roger'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16870','Roger','My problem with this, is that I have been with EPN for only 3 months now, but I have several top 10 rankings for several product related keywords so send them a ton of \"quality\" organic traffic. I was getting 5-9 new ACRUs a month, with half of the sales being $500 -$1,000 or more.. EPN defaulted ACRUs of only $1.00 for new publishers, and before I got a chance to prove the value of the new user sign ups, they made this change. Since I was already being screwed by underpaid ACRUS (since I\'m new), my EPC was already well below what it should be. Not with this new system, it\'s telling me Ebay is planning on paying me a measly $.08 per click (which is less than a third of what it is now). Google Adsense pays me $.50 per click, so why in the heck would anyone waste their time with EPN now, when Adsense pays so much more for new users.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> My problem with this, is that I have been with EPN for only 3 months now, but I have several top 10 rankings for several product related keywords so send them a ton of “quality” organic traffic. I was getting 5-9 new ACRUs a month, with half of the sales being $500 -$1,000 or more.. EPN defaulted ACRUs of only $1.00 for new publishers, and before I got a chance to prove the value of the new user sign ups, they made this change. Since I was already being screwed by underpaid ACRUS (since I’m new), my EPC was already well below what it should be. Not with this new system, it’s telling me Ebay is planning on paying me a measly $.08 per click (which is less than a third of what it is now). Google Adsense pays me $.50 per click, so why in the heck would anyone waste their time with EPN now, when Adsense pays so much more for new users.
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]]> By: Kiley http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16859 Kiley Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:49:16 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16859 Speaking as an eBay affiliate since 2005; WHAT difference does is make if a visitor goes to a golf putter site, clicks on a eBay ad, and buys a washer?! A sale is a sale. I have been trying to wrap my head around the move to this new system for days, and my mind is boogled. This QPC system WAS NOT set up to help affiliates at all. We are getting screwed! eBay affiliates from all niches, that market from all angles, are seeing a 50-70% drop across the board.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16859','Kiley'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16859','Kiley','Speaking as an eBay affiliate since 2005;\r\n\r\nWHAT difference does is make if a visitor goes to a golf putter site, clicks on a eBay ad, and buys a washer?! A sale is a sale. I have been trying to wrap my head around the move to this new system for days, and my mind is boogled. \r\n\r\nThis QPC system WAS NOT set up to help affiliates at all. We are getting screwed! eBay affiliates from all niches, that market from all angles, are seeing a 50-70% drop across the board.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Speaking as an eBay affiliate since 2005;

WHAT difference does is make if a visitor goes to a golf putter site, clicks on a eBay ad, and buys a washer?! A sale is a sale. I have been trying to wrap my head around the move to this new system for days, and my mind is boogled.

This QPC system WAS NOT set up to help affiliates at all. We are getting screwed! eBay affiliates from all niches, that market from all angles, are seeing a 50-70% drop across the board.

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]]> By: John http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16849 John Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:49:14 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16849 I do not quite understand how I will know which of my links are the most effective. With the old system I could easily match up a specific sale with a specific link, but now I am not so sure. The possible lack of clarity could lead to a lack of incentive on my part to improve my site. You can give a sailor a ship and show him how to sail, but without a clear destination, his incentive to learn and improve is diminished.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16849','John'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16849','John','I do not quite understand how I will know which of my links are the most effective. With the old system I could easily match up a specific sale with a specific link, but now I am not so sure. The possible lack of clarity could lead to a lack of incentive on my part to improve my site. You can give a sailor a ship and show him how to sail, but without a clear destination, his incentive to learn and improve is diminished.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I do not quite understand how I will know which of my links are the most effective. With the old system I could easily match up a specific sale with a specific link, but now I am not so sure. The possible lack of clarity could lead to a lack of incentive on my part to improve my site. You can give a sailor a ship and show him how to sail, but without a clear destination, his incentive to learn and improve is diminished.
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]]> By: Steve http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16838 Steve Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:04:02 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16838 @Mark @Josh They will reward, but not as much, this was exactly what I was talking about with my business partners. Personally I advertise niche's and direct traffic to BIN's, so in theory this could work out better...but let us say there was a rare snow globe ending in 6.9 days and I had 10 people goto it. They don't bid till last 10 seconds... It ends for $1000. If normally I would get $20, the new system I'm getting around $6. The INTENT and QUALITY was EXACTLY what it was suppose to be, ebay just found a new way to nickle/dime the profits, bottom line.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16838','Steve'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16838','Steve','@Mark @Josh\r\n\r\n They will reward, but not as much, this was exactly what I was talking about with my business partners. Personally I advertise niche\'s and direct traffic to BIN\'s, so in theory this could work out better...but let us say there was a rare snow globe ending in 6.9 days and I had 10 people goto it. They don\'t bid till last 10 seconds... It ends for $1000. If normally I would get $20, the new system I\'m getting around $6. The INTENT and QUALITY was EXACTLY what it was suppose to be, ebay just found a new way to nickle\/dime the profits, bottom line.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Mark @Josh

They will reward, but not as much, this was exactly what I was talking about with my business partners. Personally I advertise niche’s and direct traffic to BIN’s, so in theory this could work out better…but let us say there was a rare snow globe ending in 6.9 days and I had 10 people goto it. They don’t bid till last 10 seconds… It ends for $1000. If normally I would get $20, the new system I’m getting around $6. The INTENT and QUALITY was EXACTLY what it was suppose to be, ebay just found a new way to nickle/dime the profits, bottom line.

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]]> By: JimmyJ http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16837 JimmyJ Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:03:51 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16837 As a follow up to my previous post. I have just reviewed my QCP preview, unfortunately I am down 40% compared to the current system. It wouldn't be as much if it weren't for my newer campaign - it's bringing my average down. This is another issue, no campaign is going to have a high QCP right off the top, so there will be little incentive for current and new publishers to start new campaigns. I'm disappointed, but can't say I am suprised, this is typical of an eBay pricing structure change. The hope that there will be a benefit when the bottom line always means less money in users pockets. I am a high quality traffic publisher, exactly the type of one the team behind this switch would benefit. I look forward to seeing the live models the ePN has announced they will be reviewing for us. Truth be told, I have to do some serious thinking as to whether or not this new system are worth my efforts. Regrettably, J<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16837','JimmyJ'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16837','JimmyJ','As a follow up to my previous post. I have just reviewed my QCP preview, unfortunately I am down 40% compared to the current system. \r\n\r\nIt wouldn\'t be as much if it weren\'t for my newer campaign - it\'s bringing my average down. This is another issue, no campaign is going to have a high QCP right off the top, so there will be little incentive for current and new publishers to start new campaigns. \r\n\r\nI\'m disappointed, but can\'t say I am suprised, this is typical of an eBay pricing structure change. The hope that there will be a benefit when the bottom line always means less money in users pockets. \r\n\r\nI am a high quality traffic publisher, exactly the type of one the team behind this switch would benefit. \r\n\r\nI look forward to seeing the live models the ePN has announced they will be reviewing for us. Truth be told, I have to do some serious thinking as to whether or not this new system are worth my efforts.\r\n\r\nRegrettably,\r\n\r\nJ'); return false;">Quote</a></div> As a follow up to my previous post. I have just reviewed my QCP preview, unfortunately I am down 40% compared to the current system.

It wouldn’t be as much if it weren’t for my newer campaign – it’s bringing my average down. This is another issue, no campaign is going to have a high QCP right off the top, so there will be little incentive for current and new publishers to start new campaigns.

I’m disappointed, but can’t say I am suprised, this is typical of an eBay pricing structure change. The hope that there will be a benefit when the bottom line always means less money in users pockets.

I am a high quality traffic publisher, exactly the type of one the team behind this switch would benefit.

I look forward to seeing the live models the ePN has announced they will be reviewing for us. Truth be told, I have to do some serious thinking as to whether or not this new system are worth my efforts.

Regrettably,

J

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]]> By: Mark http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16829 Mark Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:46:16 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16829 @ Josh - You are reading a bit much into it - eBay will still REWARD you for auction type listings you send your traffic to, even if an auction ends in 6.9 days. BIN is just ONE way to increase quality - if you send a user to an auction, they bid or watch it, then act on it before the 7 day cookie expiration, its still a GOOD visitor! They did EXACTLY what you intended for them to do... Mark<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16829','Mark'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16829','Mark','@ Josh - \r\n\r\nYou are reading a bit much into it - eBay will still REWARD you for auction type listings you send your traffic to, even if an auction ends in 6.9 days.\r\n\r\nBIN is just ONE way to increase quality - if you send a user to an auction, they bid or watch it, then act on it before the 7 day cookie expiration, its still a GOOD visitor! They did EXACTLY what you intended for them to do...\r\n\r\nMark'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @ Josh –

You are reading a bit much into it – eBay will still REWARD you for auction type listings you send your traffic to, even if an auction ends in 6.9 days.

BIN is just ONE way to increase quality – if you send a user to an auction, they bid or watch it, then act on it before the 7 day cookie expiration, its still a GOOD visitor! They did EXACTLY what you intended for them to do…

Mark

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]]> By: Josh http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16828 Josh Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:43:20 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16828 In theory this all sounds OK I guess. The main issue I have with the idea of clicks being worth more the faster they convert is the fact that ebay is, after all, still an AUCTION site. Some of my niches center around higher priced items (2-3 thousand dollars). Many times there aren't more than a few listings up at any given time and they are always auctions and almost never BINs. I have practically never made a sale that wasn't in the category I sent my traffic through on. But now ebay is going to punish me for sending traffic to an auction that may not end for another five or six days but will still prove just as profitable (now much more so) for them. If they had something in the algorithm to account for this problem I would be somewhat less agitated with the whole change<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16828','Josh'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16828','Josh','In theory this all sounds OK I guess. The main issue I have with the idea of clicks being worth more the faster they convert is the fact that ebay is, after all, still an AUCTION site. Some of my niches center around higher priced items (2-3 thousand dollars). Many times there aren\'t more than a few listings up at any given time and they are always auctions and almost never BINs. \r\n\r\nI have practically never made a sale that wasn\'t in the category I sent my traffic through on. But now ebay is going to punish me for sending traffic to an auction that may not end for another five or six days but will still prove just as profitable (now much more so) for them. If they had something in the algorithm to account for this problem I would be somewhat less agitated with the whole change'); return false;">Quote</a></div> In theory this all sounds OK I guess. The main issue I have with the idea of clicks being worth more the faster they convert is the fact that ebay is, after all, still an AUCTION site. Some of my niches center around higher priced items (2-3 thousand dollars). Many times there aren’t more than a few listings up at any given time and they are always auctions and almost never BINs.

I have practically never made a sale that wasn’t in the category I sent my traffic through on. But now ebay is going to punish me for sending traffic to an auction that may not end for another five or six days but will still prove just as profitable (now much more so) for them. If they had something in the algorithm to account for this problem I would be somewhat less agitated with the whole change

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]]> By: Andy http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/3-tips-to-understand-and-succeed-with-epn-quality-click-pricing.htm#comment-16825 Andy Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:29:07 +0000 http://www.thenichestorebuilder.com/?p=976#comment-16825 We'll have to wait and see...the bottom line is, eBay has more control now over what they pay affiliates and I don't like that at all. We all know what's going on with offline retail; ecommerce WON'T be spared either. eBay knows this and have acted to protect their interest.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16825','Andy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16825','Andy','We\'ll have to wait and see...the bottom line is, eBay has more control now over what they pay affiliates and I don\'t like that at all. We all know what\'s going on with offline retail; ecommerce WON\'T be spared either. eBay knows this and have acted to protect their interest.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> We’ll have to wait and see…the bottom line is, eBay has more control now over what they pay affiliates and I don’t like that at all. We all know what’s going on with offline retail; ecommerce WON’T be spared either. eBay knows this and have acted to protect their interest.
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